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		<title>By: Dave Pollard</title>
		<link>http://howtosavetheworld.ca/2010/06/15/this-is-why-were-here/comment-page-1/#comment-22858</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Pollard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 06:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry that some interpreted this post as suggesting that political action and technological innovation are valueless; I just see them as what Joanna Macy calls &#039;holding actions&#039;, keeping the situation from getting much worse, but not, ultimately, making it any better. It is essential that those who are called to these types of work persevere at them, and I respect enormously the people who do this largely thankless, grueling work. 

But it is also essential that we help the large majority of people wake up and realize that &lt;i&gt;other people&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; political and technological efforts will not be enough, and that every one of us has a personal responsibility for doing everything we can to help each other and our descendants to prepare for, struggle through, and create a new society after, the coming civilizational collapse.

Likewise, I am not saying that the work of activists, innovators, model-builders, facilitators, healers and artists is disconnected from each other -- each can draw on the others, and we can draw strength and courage from each other. What I am saying is that we each need to determine what we do best, and do that work, rather than the work we may perceive &#039;most needs to be done&#039; or is most urgent, or easiest. When artists get distracted into doing activist work, for example -- organizing, debating with deniers, writing rhetorical articles etc. -- I think they often end up doing mediocre work, and waste time and energy that could be better spent doing what they are really gifted at doing, and which needs to be done just as desperately -- even if that may not yet be appreciated.

An additional challenge is that in doing this work -- as activists, innovators, model-builders, facilitators, healers or artists -- we are constantly walking a line between arrogance and self-doubt. We need to have the self-confidence and self-knowledge to know what is needed and what we can do (that we do well), and to do it regardless of opposition and indifference, yet have the humility to appreciate that this is not about us, not about what one person can do, not about genius or leadership, but rather about serving, about being of use, about being a part of a vital collective effort that unites us all, and that what we are doing will probably not get much recognition, or much appreciation, until we are gone, if ever. That is a fine line to walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry that some interpreted this post as suggesting that political action and technological innovation are valueless; I just see them as what Joanna Macy calls &#8216;holding actions&#8217;, keeping the situation from getting much worse, but not, ultimately, making it any better. It is essential that those who are called to these types of work persevere at them, and I respect enormously the people who do this largely thankless, grueling work. </p>
<p>But it is also essential that we help the large majority of people wake up and realize that <i>other people&#8217;s</i> political and technological efforts will not be enough, and that every one of us has a personal responsibility for doing everything we can to help each other and our descendants to prepare for, struggle through, and create a new society after, the coming civilizational collapse.</p>
<p>Likewise, I am not saying that the work of activists, innovators, model-builders, facilitators, healers and artists is disconnected from each other &#8212; each can draw on the others, and we can draw strength and courage from each other. What I am saying is that we each need to determine what we do best, and do that work, rather than the work we may perceive &#8216;most needs to be done&#8217; or is most urgent, or easiest. When artists get distracted into doing activist work, for example &#8212; organizing, debating with deniers, writing rhetorical articles etc. &#8212; I think they often end up doing mediocre work, and waste time and energy that could be better spent doing what they are really gifted at doing, and which needs to be done just as desperately &#8212; even if that may not yet be appreciated.</p>
<p>An additional challenge is that in doing this work &#8212; as activists, innovators, model-builders, facilitators, healers or artists &#8212; we are constantly walking a line between arrogance and self-doubt. We need to have the self-confidence and self-knowledge to know what is needed and what we can do (that we do well), and to do it regardless of opposition and indifference, yet have the humility to appreciate that this is not about us, not about what one person can do, not about genius or leadership, but rather about serving, about being of use, about being a part of a vital collective effort that unites us all, and that what we are doing will probably not get much recognition, or much appreciation, until we are gone, if ever. That is a fine line to walk.</p>
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		<title>By: Tree Bressen</title>
		<link>http://howtosavetheworld.ca/2010/06/15/this-is-why-were-here/comment-page-1/#comment-22857</link>
		<dc:creator>Tree Bressen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 05:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see healing and art and activism as separate.  They interweave.  Not always, but not uncommonly, especially when done well.

Where is the writing and art appropriate to the Dark Mountain moment, you ask?  

It&#039;s in Drew Dellinger&#039;s poem &quot;hieroglyphic stairway&quot;--astonishingly, read out to the U.S. Congress:  http://www.drewdellinger.org/pages/video/153/the-power-of-poetry_spoken-word-in-the-halls-of-congress. 

It&#039;s in the &quot;altars of extinction&quot; created at Samhain rituals by the Reclaiming collective:  http://www.reclaimingquarterly.org/96/96-altarextinct.html.  

It&#039;s in the artwork of Chris Jordan:  http://www.chrisjordan.com.

And more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see healing and art and activism as separate.  They interweave.  Not always, but not uncommonly, especially when done well.</p>
<p>Where is the writing and art appropriate to the Dark Mountain moment, you ask?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s in Drew Dellinger&#8217;s poem &#8220;hieroglyphic stairway&#8221;&#8211;astonishingly, read out to the U.S. Congress:  <a href="http://www.drewdellinger.org/pages/video/153/the-power-of-poetry_spoken-word-in-the-halls-of-congress" rel="nofollow">http://www.drewdellinger.org/pages/video/153/the-power-of-poetry_spoken-word-in-the-halls-of-congress</a>. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s in the &#8220;altars of extinction&#8221; created at Samhain rituals by the Reclaiming collective:  <a href="http://www.reclaimingquarterly.org/96/96-altarextinct.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.reclaimingquarterly.org/96/96-altarextinct.html</a>.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s in the artwork of Chris Jordan:  <a href="http://www.chrisjordan.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chrisjordan.com</a>.</p>
<p>And more.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo Ocean</title>
		<link>http://howtosavetheworld.ca/2010/06/15/this-is-why-were-here/comment-page-1/#comment-22851</link>
		<dc:creator>Indigo Ocean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If art is to represent what is, it has to be able to reflect multiple layers of what is, multiple perspectives as well. Which isn&#039;t to say that every piece of art has to tell the whole story, or even every artist&#039;s body of work. Sometimes an artist represents a particular perspective in an enlightening way. But woe to him if he ever thinks that his viewpoint it the whole truth. 

In truth there is beauty and cruelty, hope and despair, disintegration and growth, and an endless arrays of cycles and polarities. We are both unbecoming and becoming. Just as this structure emerged, others are yet to emerge. If there is any point in art, it is to reveal the complexity of what is in ways that bypass the mind and initiate a deeper knowing of who we are, including the world that we are a part of. If art is to envision what is possible, as you say, why not envision a possibility of a joyful transition and engage in one&#039;s own life in enjoying such a transition oneself even before it becomes a necessity of circumstances? Why would the artists not live together with the permaculture, deep ecology, and soul healing communities, working in harmony to add their unique skills and insights to create a joyful evolution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If art is to represent what is, it has to be able to reflect multiple layers of what is, multiple perspectives as well. Which isn&#8217;t to say that every piece of art has to tell the whole story, or even every artist&#8217;s body of work. Sometimes an artist represents a particular perspective in an enlightening way. But woe to him if he ever thinks that his viewpoint it the whole truth. </p>
<p>In truth there is beauty and cruelty, hope and despair, disintegration and growth, and an endless arrays of cycles and polarities. We are both unbecoming and becoming. Just as this structure emerged, others are yet to emerge. If there is any point in art, it is to reveal the complexity of what is in ways that bypass the mind and initiate a deeper knowing of who we are, including the world that we are a part of. If art is to envision what is possible, as you say, why not envision a possibility of a joyful transition and engage in one&#8217;s own life in enjoying such a transition oneself even before it becomes a necessity of circumstances? Why would the artists not live together with the permaculture, deep ecology, and soul healing communities, working in harmony to add their unique skills and insights to create a joyful evolution?</p>
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		<title>By: The agenda revisited &#8211; Guy McPherson&#39;s blog</title>
		<link>http://howtosavetheworld.ca/2010/06/15/this-is-why-were-here/comment-page-1/#comment-22836</link>
		<dc:creator>The agenda revisited &#8211; Guy McPherson&#39;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 00:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] even habitat for our own species. Call me a dreamer. Recognizing that it&#8217;s generally a waste of time to try to convince people we&#8217;re headed for economic disaster and therefore environmental nirvana, that, regardless, is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] even habitat for our own species. Call me a dreamer. Recognizing that it&#8217;s generally a waste of time to try to convince people we&#8217;re headed for economic disaster and therefore environmental nirvana, that, regardless, is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Constance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Constance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 16:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well, well... No longer slogging, huh? Still talking the talk but refusing to walk the walk (how much does it cost to heat that mini-mansion ot your&#039;s?)... Another armchair leftist.

&quot;Oh, Canada&quot;, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well, well&#8230; No longer slogging, huh? Still talking the talk but refusing to walk the walk (how much does it cost to heat that mini-mansion ot your&#8217;s?)&#8230; Another armchair leftist.</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, Canada&#8221;, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: vera</title>
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		<dc:creator>vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s right back at ya, Dave... :-)
http://leavingbabylon.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/applied-imagination/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s right back at ya, Dave&#8230; :-)<br />
<a href="http://leavingbabylon.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/applied-imagination/" rel="nofollow">http://leavingbabylon.wordpress.com/2010/06/15/applied-imagination/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Applied imagination &#171; Leaving Babylon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Applied imagination &#171; Leaving Babylon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have not worked out so well in the long run. Yet many of us uncivvers are thinkers and dreamers; some adamantly so. Nothing wrong with it per se, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have not worked out so well in the long run. Yet many of us uncivvers are thinkers and dreamers; some adamantly so. Nothing wrong with it per se, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://howtosavetheworld.ca/2010/06/15/this-is-why-were-here/comment-page-1/#comment-22807</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m one of the &#039;technophiles&#039; of which you speak, although I&#039;m just as pessimistic and can agree that the Dark Mountain project is worthwhile and important.

I don&#039;t believe a solution can be obtained from the government, or rather, that the only solution government will provide involves using the armed forces. Perhaps in one of his darker moods, Bruce Sterling seems so far alone in naming such a solution, which, while it will likely never be called that, would be, in fact, genocide.

We in the privileged classes are &#039;lucky&#039; in the sense that we&#039;ll see such a solution applied to others long before it&#039;s applied to ourselves. (It may serve to sharply focus our thinking).

When I argue for a technological solution, in great part this is due to not seeing any political or sociological solution. Certainly, a vastly depopulated humanity will find its own sociopolitical solutions. While planning and storytelling of such can be fun and informative, I consider it much like drawing up plans and charters for intentional communities: fun to do, but totally different from the challenge in getting people together and actually forming a community.

In short, a technological solution may be the only option we have open to us, that preserves most of humanity. Certainly, computer evolution is many more orders of magnitude faster than sociopolitical evolution. (Greg Egan&#039;s novel _Dispora_ takes this to an extreme, with all &#039;humanity&#039; living as simulations inside a basketball-sized chunk of computronium buried some kilometers underground).

 In any case, whether a technological succeeds or (more likely, in many peoples&#039; opinion) fails, it is the contribution *I* can make. I&#039;d like to be part of the &#039;save the world&#039; community, and contribute where and how I can, and not simply be summarily dismissed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m one of the &#8216;technophiles&#8217; of which you speak, although I&#8217;m just as pessimistic and can agree that the Dark Mountain project is worthwhile and important.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe a solution can be obtained from the government, or rather, that the only solution government will provide involves using the armed forces. Perhaps in one of his darker moods, Bruce Sterling seems so far alone in naming such a solution, which, while it will likely never be called that, would be, in fact, genocide.</p>
<p>We in the privileged classes are &#8216;lucky&#8217; in the sense that we&#8217;ll see such a solution applied to others long before it&#8217;s applied to ourselves. (It may serve to sharply focus our thinking).</p>
<p>When I argue for a technological solution, in great part this is due to not seeing any political or sociological solution. Certainly, a vastly depopulated humanity will find its own sociopolitical solutions. While planning and storytelling of such can be fun and informative, I consider it much like drawing up plans and charters for intentional communities: fun to do, but totally different from the challenge in getting people together and actually forming a community.</p>
<p>In short, a technological solution may be the only option we have open to us, that preserves most of humanity. Certainly, computer evolution is many more orders of magnitude faster than sociopolitical evolution. (Greg Egan&#8217;s novel _Dispora_ takes this to an extreme, with all &#8216;humanity&#8217; living as simulations inside a basketball-sized chunk of computronium buried some kilometers underground).</p>
<p> In any case, whether a technological succeeds or (more likely, in many peoples&#8217; opinion) fails, it is the contribution *I* can make. I&#8217;d like to be part of the &#8216;save the world&#8217; community, and contribute where and how I can, and not simply be summarily dismissed.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention This is Why We’re Here « how to save the world -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention This is Why We’re Here « how to save the world -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Dave Pollard, triple_T. triple_T said: RT @DavePollard: This is Why We’re Here http://goo.gl/fb/ss0re [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Dave Pollard, triple_T. triple_T said: RT @DavePollard: This is Why We’re Here <a href="http://goo.gl/fb/ss0re" rel="nofollow">http://goo.gl/fb/ss0re</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dave. This is a wonderful statement about why Dark Mountain matters, and why all the different contributions to living with the prospect of collapse - activism, healing, art - matter. Yes, let&#039;s stop fighting resource wars over what each person ought to be doing, and respect each branch, each twig, each leaf; what each person does best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dave. This is a wonderful statement about why Dark Mountain matters, and why all the different contributions to living with the prospect of collapse &#8211; activism, healing, art &#8211; matter. Yes, let&#8217;s stop fighting resource wars over what each person ought to be doing, and respect each branch, each twig, each leaf; what each person does best.</p>
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