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		<title>Comment on Caught in Our Own Words by Sandwichman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandwichman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 01:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I offer a ray of hope, Dave? Looking at the entanglement between the environmental crisis and the economic, it really seems to me that the terminal crisis of capitalism is at hand. Now, this doesn&#039;t necessarily mean an imminent transition to paradise on earth or even a marginally more harmonious way of life. But what it does suggest is that &quot;economic growth&quot; is becoming not only undesirable but technically unfeasible. Expanded reproduction and accumulation of capital requires two conditions: a positive rate of profit and sufficient aggregate demand to absorb the increasing productive capacity. 

It might not be terminal but it seems to me that the conjuncture of Greece, JP Morgan and the London Whale and the over-hyped Facebook IPO could set off the &quot;perfect storm&quot; of financial collapse and if not... well it seems there&#039;s always another Greece, London Whale and Facebook waiting in the wings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I offer a ray of hope, Dave? Looking at the entanglement between the environmental crisis and the economic, it really seems to me that the terminal crisis of capitalism is at hand. Now, this doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean an imminent transition to paradise on earth or even a marginally more harmonious way of life. But what it does suggest is that &#8220;economic growth&#8221; is becoming not only undesirable but technically unfeasible. Expanded reproduction and accumulation of capital requires two conditions: a positive rate of profit and sufficient aggregate demand to absorb the increasing productive capacity. </p>
<p>It might not be terminal but it seems to me that the conjuncture of Greece, JP Morgan and the London Whale and the over-hyped Facebook IPO could set off the &#8220;perfect storm&#8221; of financial collapse and if not&#8230; well it seems there&#8217;s always another Greece, London Whale and Facebook waiting in the wings.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caught in Our Own Words by Gary Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 10:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Dave!  People rarely appreciate how much the language we use frames our thinking. Each word brings with it whole clusters of associations.  So new words are needed, and this post helps a lot with that.

Also, the first comment, by CoCreatr, also raises the point that we don&#039;t necessarily want to throw out the old concepts, because there may be useful points within them that we want to keep, but within a new framework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post Dave!  People rarely appreciate how much the language we use frames our thinking. Each word brings with it whole clusters of associations.  So new words are needed, and this post helps a lot with that.</p>
<p>Also, the first comment, by CoCreatr, also raises the point that we don&#8217;t necessarily want to throw out the old concepts, because there may be useful points within them that we want to keep, but within a new framework.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caught in Our Own Words by Jeff Clearwater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Clearwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 20:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so for this wonderful Blog review Dave.  So appreciated your presence and your insights rock.  I look so forward to working with you more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so for this wonderful Blog review Dave.  So appreciated your presence and your insights rock.  I look so forward to working with you more!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caught in Our Own Words by CoCreatr</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoCreatr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 04:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jessia Margolin co-authored a management hack addressing similar questions. http://www.managementexchange.com/hack/if-you-want-hit-ball-watch-it-meet-your-bat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jessia Margolin co-authored a management hack addressing similar questions. <a href="http://www.managementexchange.com/hack/if-you-want-hit-ball-watch-it-meet-your-bat" rel="nofollow">http://www.managementexchange.com/hack/if-you-want-hit-ball-watch-it-meet-your-bat</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on If We Had a Better Story Could We Tell the Truth? by chetana</title>
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		<dc:creator>chetana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 03:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insightful piece. We live in a world with different realities...some better than the others. The ability to purchase a better reality does not make it unreal. It is still real. Coz we are now aware enough to see different realities and aware which nourishes our souls, hearts and bodies, the deal is to make such a reality accessible and universal at some point. That will come to happen. In many ways we are living in better times and as a woman I didnot have to fight for life opportunities that my grandmumma fought for. A green, peaceful, playful, natural, creative world will come to be. More and more of us are making that choice than ever before! The rate of when it will happen depends on our collective choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insightful piece. We live in a world with different realities&#8230;some better than the others. The ability to purchase a better reality does not make it unreal. It is still real. Coz we are now aware enough to see different realities and aware which nourishes our souls, hearts and bodies, the deal is to make such a reality accessible and universal at some point. That will come to happen. In many ways we are living in better times and as a woman I didnot have to fight for life opportunities that my grandmumma fought for. A green, peaceful, playful, natural, creative world will come to be. More and more of us are making that choice than ever before! The rate of when it will happen depends on our collective choices.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Caught in Our Own Words by CoCreatr</title>
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		<dc:creator>CoCreatr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 03:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well yes. And no.  First, to add another frame, consider the definition of a fundamentalist and how it relates to curiosity. (5 minutes video) http://www.nicaskew.com/2012/02/curious/﻿

Yes, no, Yes, no, on this: &quot;...terms like “competitive positioning” or “marketing strategy” or “venture capital” or “return on investment” because these terms are meaningless to cooperative enterprises that have no need to compete, or market, or raise funds.&quot;

If you want to be in business at all, serving society or your market in a noncompetitive way,  you need to connect to your markets. Having a strategy for that helps a lot, and it would embrace the non-competitive positioning. 

You may not need venture capital, but you invest your energy, or seeds, your time or your fellow&#039;s, and you need a return on that investment a bit larger than what you put in to survive, and a moderate abundance to thrive.  Which would warrant to explore the spectrum of business nonsense, business sense, and giddy greed.     

Agree, &quot;the best way to convey the nature, value and potential of a Natural Economy (...) is to build a small-scale model of one that works.&quot;  Why are the two examples you share worth exploring, supporting, joining?  If you spread word about these Intentional Communities, are you, ahem, &quot;marketing&quot;? 

I like this term, &quot;non-old-paradigm language&quot;, it feels recursively self-explanatory.  Yes, we knew what we didn&#039;t want when we saw it. The need for clear wording to describe where we aim to go - unknown territory with new experience awaiting -  calls for co-creation of fresh words or stripping language of some of its baggage allowance.  Lots of good questions you put there.

Let&#039;s collectively improve on the bankrupt definition of &quot;economy&quot; and raise the vision of where we wish to go. WIth the framing you provide, I propose a slight changeto  Jeff’s alternative definition: politics is the process of understanding and appreciating each other to make decisions that further our collective interest, and economics is the process of taking care of each other and the planet to enhance our collective well-being.  I took liberty to replace &quot;best&quot; with &quot;further&quot; and  replace &quot;optimize&quot; with &quot;improve&quot; because the superlatives &quot;best&quot; and &quot;optimize&quot;  presuppose anyone or the collective knows what that is. I presuppose we don&#039;t know it until we see it, hence the need to let go of some worldview ballast and experiment. And even then what&#039;s best and optimal for some isn&#039;t so for others, opening a spectrum for continual collective learning. 

We might even change from &quot;ruling by law-making&quot; to &quot;collaborating by crowd-coding our principles&quot;. Are we untangling our own words? Attempting right here and now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well yes. And no.  First, to add another frame, consider the definition of a fundamentalist and how it relates to curiosity. (5 minutes video) <a href="http://www.nicaskew.com/2012/02/curious/﻿" rel="nofollow">http://www.nicaskew.com/2012/02/curious/﻿</a></p>
<p>Yes, no, Yes, no, on this: &#8220;&#8230;terms like “competitive positioning” or “marketing strategy” or “venture capital” or “return on investment” because these terms are meaningless to cooperative enterprises that have no need to compete, or market, or raise funds.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you want to be in business at all, serving society or your market in a noncompetitive way,  you need to connect to your markets. Having a strategy for that helps a lot, and it would embrace the non-competitive positioning. </p>
<p>You may not need venture capital, but you invest your energy, or seeds, your time or your fellow&#8217;s, and you need a return on that investment a bit larger than what you put in to survive, and a moderate abundance to thrive.  Which would warrant to explore the spectrum of business nonsense, business sense, and giddy greed.     </p>
<p>Agree, &#8220;the best way to convey the nature, value and potential of a Natural Economy (&#8230;) is to build a small-scale model of one that works.&#8221;  Why are the two examples you share worth exploring, supporting, joining?  If you spread word about these Intentional Communities, are you, ahem, &#8220;marketing&#8221;? </p>
<p>I like this term, &#8220;non-old-paradigm language&#8221;, it feels recursively self-explanatory.  Yes, we knew what we didn&#8217;t want when we saw it. The need for clear wording to describe where we aim to go &#8211; unknown territory with new experience awaiting &#8211;  calls for co-creation of fresh words or stripping language of some of its baggage allowance.  Lots of good questions you put there.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s collectively improve on the bankrupt definition of &#8220;economy&#8221; and raise the vision of where we wish to go. WIth the framing you provide, I propose a slight changeto  Jeff’s alternative definition: politics is the process of understanding and appreciating each other to make decisions that further our collective interest, and economics is the process of taking care of each other and the planet to enhance our collective well-being.  I took liberty to replace &#8220;best&#8221; with &#8220;further&#8221; and  replace &#8220;optimize&#8221; with &#8220;improve&#8221; because the superlatives &#8220;best&#8221; and &#8220;optimize&#8221;  presuppose anyone or the collective knows what that is. I presuppose we don&#8217;t know it until we see it, hence the need to let go of some worldview ballast and experiment. And even then what&#8217;s best and optimal for some isn&#8217;t so for others, opening a spectrum for continual collective learning. </p>
<p>We might even change from &#8220;ruling by law-making&#8221; to &#8220;collaborating by crowd-coding our principles&#8221;. Are we untangling our own words? Attempting right here and now.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links of the Month: May 6, 2012 by thomasp</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomasp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 17:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave,

Yet again, interesting reading - thanks!

I came across this a few days back: http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175538/tomgram%3A_ernest_callenbach%2C_last_words_to_an_america_in_decline/#more
(Scroll down to &quot;Epistle to the Ecotopians &quot;)

When I read it, I thought of you and couldn&#039;t help but share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>Yet again, interesting reading &#8211; thanks!</p>
<p>I came across this a few days back: <a href="http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175538/tomgram%3A_ernest_callenbach%2C_last_words_to_an_america_in_decline/#more" rel="nofollow">http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175538/tomgram%3A_ernest_callenbach%2C_last_words_to_an_america_in_decline/#more</a><br />
(Scroll down to &#8220;Epistle to the Ecotopians &#8220;)</p>
<p>When I read it, I thought of you and couldn&#8217;t help but share.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links of the Month: May 6, 2012 by Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 17:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, &#039;good stuff&#039; Dave - actually, better than many previous....

Enjoy the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, &#8216;good stuff&#8217; Dave &#8211; actually, better than many previous&#8230;.</p>
<p>Enjoy the day.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Links of the Month: May 6, 2012 by Jon Husband</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Husband</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What exactly is it we’re trying to sustain?&lt;/i&gt;

This statement, to the quoted paragraph that preceded it, makes things so very obviously clear.  For me it summarizes well the last ten+ years of individual outpourings on the Web (ranging from idiotic comments through business models that rely on advertising through to highly-refined analyses and commentaries from truly fine minds).  All the information and knowledge is available to us in order to shine bright lights on ALL the issues identified in the quoted paragraph, as are processes of evoking, refining and making actionable visions happen.

But of course that information and knowledge is used by all involved .. not only to clarify and inform, but also to distort, misinform and manipulate.

And so on we go ... we remain asleep and more-or-less immobile in the face of a cumulative-and-growing clusterfuck which keeps us anxious and uncertain whilst employing powerful mechanisms to keep us asleep.

Unfortunately, the disintegration of human society related to the unhappy and unsustainable paradigm in which we are enchanted is most likely to continue apace.  We keep hitting the snooze button on the alarm and then roll over and go back to sleep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What exactly is it we’re trying to sustain?</i></p>
<p>This statement, to the quoted paragraph that preceded it, makes things so very obviously clear.  For me it summarizes well the last ten+ years of individual outpourings on the Web (ranging from idiotic comments through business models that rely on advertising through to highly-refined analyses and commentaries from truly fine minds).  All the information and knowledge is available to us in order to shine bright lights on ALL the issues identified in the quoted paragraph, as are processes of evoking, refining and making actionable visions happen.</p>
<p>But of course that information and knowledge is used by all involved .. not only to clarify and inform, but also to distort, misinform and manipulate.</p>
<p>And so on we go &#8230; we remain asleep and more-or-less immobile in the face of a cumulative-and-growing clusterfuck which keeps us anxious and uncertain whilst employing powerful mechanisms to keep us asleep.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the disintegration of human society related to the unhappy and unsustainable paradigm in which we are enchanted is most likely to continue apace.  We keep hitting the snooze button on the alarm and then roll over and go back to sleep.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Re-Learning How to Play by Re-Learning How to Play &#171; how to save the world &#124; Creativity, Innovation, and Change &#124; Scoop.it</title>
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		<dc:creator>Re-Learning How to Play &#171; how to save the world &#124; Creativity, Innovation, and Change &#124; Scoop.it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 16:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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