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Many readers thought this long list too onerous and exclusive, but I sense that a Natural Community whose members significantly lack any of these qualities would be extremely fragile. I also believe we are all born with these capacities, and for most it’s just a matter of Letting-Oneself-Change to re-engender them. I have already begun, with a woman I have met in Second Life who I will call Eve, to create one such community in Second Life to test whether all these capacities are necessary, and to test my hypothesis that such communities should naturally and advantageously be polyamorous. Eve and I are beginning to explore the operating principles that might govern such communities. I see these principles being fluid, emergent and co-developed by the community members, so what we come up initially with will be merely a first stake in the ground. My recent obsession with love, conversation, polyamory and community has been such that I’ve also been talking with real-life friends (some of whom are physically close and others whom I have never met face-to-face but love nevertheless) about these principles. Some of these people I hope to invite to be part of our Second Life MPNC (model polyamorous natural community). Here are some of the principles we’ve been thinking and talking about:
There may well be other principles, and perhaps we’ll find some of these principles are unnecessary or need to be changed. This is all about practice, and it is through practice, in Second Life, and paying attention to what works especially well and what doesn’t work well, that these principles will evolve into a set of principles that guide the flow of the community. And it is through practice that we’ll learn to become better community members, lovers and friends. There is, I think, no other way to make this work. And it is important, both to our broken modern society and to the generations yet unborn who may have to create a new society fromthe ruins of civilization, that we make it work. Category: Intentional Community
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Nicely thought out, and well said.
Dave, it seems to me that Compersion might be an emerging property of the community, as I don’t think you can expect to find poeple who will just “drop in”. Perhaps part of it is breaking the assumed binding of erotic love and the Intellectual, Emotional and Sensual aspects, or the perception that they have to be provided by one person. I suppose you want to avoid the situation where one person feels that only one person can satisfy a certain need, and this why you are sticking to a fairly “demanding” list of qualities.
What happens to the people who don’t get into the community? Me, for example.
What’s the sex, or love-making, like in second Life. tender and soft and sweet, or detached and clinical, or boisterous, slightly rough and fun ? Or, just unreal ?Enquiring minds, and all that … ?
Very interesting angle with polyamory as a basis for community. Because those principles are really universal. Maybe real community can only ever be based on love.
Thanks everyone. Nathan: Absolutely.
Dave –Interesting… all of these poly discussions are quite intriguing to me, having explored some of this IRL, myself. That being said, I do have a few thoughts….On compersion… acknowledging that jealousy is merely another word for insecurity (when related to a lover especially), I think there are two things we each need to achieve compersion. First, and perhaps foremost is an honest and total belief that love compounds, but never divides. Second, and this is a little more tangible, is the knowledge and belief in your partner(s) that comes from knowing that they would give up anything for you — so therefore you don’t *need* them to give up *anything*. I think the fundamental fear that your love is ‘shopping’ for someone better needs to be completely vanquished… not sure if that really will make sense to you or that I am expressing myself well… but there you have it.On community itself… I think this is the point where Quinn needs to come back into the discussion. A successful community needs to be based not on *wanting* it to work, but rather on *needing* it to work. Making a living together. In Second Life, this may be less realistic than IRL, but perhaps a shared goal, a tangible goal, beyond mere community itself… People are never, suddenly, better. Tap into the members ‘enlightened self interest.’ That which they do for themselves and therefore will always be the “easy” choice. That is the core component that our ancestors all had which we now lack….Good luck with all this… I’ll be watching closely to see how this all proceeds….Cheers,Janene
Another utopian dream is constructed against all of the failed efforts of times past. The characteristic we must embody cannot exists with any consistancy outside of heaven. We would need a god. Without a god, we would have a governing body. Who gets in? Who gets out? Who gets to change the rules? Ambition, competitiveness, and jealousy, (or insecurity), cannot be brushed away as invalid, leaving us to perfect community, else it would have occured at least once in all history. We learn from history that humans, with great intentions, trip over our own nature. We create distopia the highest of ideals.