Workable Post-Civ Societies: Ideas from Ivan Illich and Gustavo Esteva

In praise of the vernacular.

photo of Ivan Illich (2nd left) and Gustavo Esteva (2nd right), from Radical Ecological Democracy

The idea of ‘practicing’ how we might live in the societies that emerge after civilization’s collapse has always interested me. I’m convinced that we’re not likely going to be able to create viable models of new ways to live, at least not at any scale, until our current global industrial civilization culture has collapsed and ‘gotten out of the way’. But why not practice now anyway, and learn a thing or two in the process?

This is what underlies my fascination with Intentional Communities, which are, in many cases, attempts to do just that — to find a more resilient, sustainable, humane, peaceful and connected way to live and make a living together than the ones on offer from our global industrial civilization. While there are some remarkable, enduring exceptions, most of these ‘model communities’ rarely last. The reasons for that are complicated and varied (loss of founders, financial problems, unreasonable expectations, inequitable workload, dysfunctional members etc.)

In any case, it’s unlikely that anything we learn now will be of much use to post-civilization societies when they emerge — in a generation, a century, or even a millennium from now. And it’s far from certain our species will survive at all. Still, there’s no harm thinking about what models might work, and, perhaps more importantly, about the factors that distinguish those that work from those that don’t.

There are two dangerous tendencies among those who like to think about creating alternative models of how humans ‘should’ live — (i) the tendency to idealize, and invent a ‘one-size-fits-all’ model that fits with one’s personal (often impracticable) ideals and parochial worldview, and (ii) the tendency to think that any effective community model can be ‘designed’ top-down, rather than it just emerging and evolving, through the collective efforts of its participants, to meet uniquely local, ‘vernacular’ needs.

As an incorrigible idealist myself, I confess that, especially in its early years, this blog was replete with idealistic models of better ways to live and be in the world, which are now mostly cringe-worthy. I refuse to take them down because they remind me of past errors in my thinking, and hopefully prevent me from making the same errors again.

And as an impatient person who loves to design things, I confess I have often thought I ‘knew better’ what needed to be done in a particular situation than the people actually personally steeped in the problem. I have often later apologized for my hubris.

I preface this article with those caveats because two of the people who tried valiantly to develop alternative models to the capitalistic crypto-democratic hierarchical massive-scale globalized systems we are struggling with today (and watching fall apart) were staunch, almost rabid, idealists. They were Ivan Illich (1926-2002) and Gustavo Esteva (1936-2022 — a victim of CoVid-19).

What I appreciated about these two, who knew each other well and worked together in some of the most impoverished parts of México, is that they had the courage to try to implement their vision and model of a better way to live in the communities they were adopted into and grew to love. Nothing like a dose of practical reality to take the polished edge off your idealism.

Both of them had seen (mostly from the work of religious missionaries) the carnage that results from attempts to impose an ideology (religious, political, or economic), and even impose a way of being, on an entire population. Instead, as Ivan put it, it’s essential to understand and embrace the vernacular — the ways that have emerged and evolved in each local place to suit their unique circumstances and cultures, ways that “made poverty tolerable” there.

Ivan focused much of his attention on two rigid, imposed European-model systems — education and ‘health care’. The alternative, community-based, community-responsive systems he strove to implement were ‘convivial’ — based on local knowledge and local connection, and on the development of demonstrated competencies, not academic degrees.

He fiercely defended his uncompromising ideals — including that the precondition for creating more responsive, effective, local communities and competencies was the complete abolition of the existing systems. He intuitively understood that radical change was not possible as long as the existing systems, dysfunctional as they were, remained in place, with their inevitably invested, change-resistant, staunch defenders.

He described the ‘health care system’ as inherently iatrogenic — causing and increasing disease rather than reducing it — and favoured systems that empowered the ‘patient’ citizen to learn enough to self-diagnose and self-treat many illnesses, to prevent rather than treat illnesses, and to work as a partner with community health care practitioners instead of waiting for the practitioners to just tell them what was wrong and what to do.

His colleague Gustavo worked closely with the Zapatistas to support their efforts to create a revolutionary, autonomous state free from Méxican government interference and ‘help’. He established the anti-authoritarian unschooling Universidad de la Tierra and spent his life working against the “hegemony” of both nation-states and corporate oligopolies, which he saw as dysfunctional institutions that needed to be abolished. A better alternative, he insisted, would come from indigenous communities themselves, developing local solutions that they would then share with other communities. The educational, political, economic, health care and other systems being forced on nations all over the world had never worked for the benefit of the citizens, he said, nor could they be reformed. They needed to be replaced.

Both men were extremely outspoken, often controversial, and not always particularly liked. They both intuitively loathed institutions and institutional ‘solutions’, believing that they were inflexible, incapable of evolving and learning, and that they incapacitated citizens from learning to do things for themselves. Even fans and positive reviewers of their work often criticized much of what they said for “going too far”.

Here’s my brief summary of what I thought were the main points from two of Ivan’s best-known books, with some excerpts of his principal ideas. And here’s an article by Gustavo explaining his “path to freedom” for communities. They’ll give you a bit of a flavour for their beliefs and approaches in their own words.

What are the shared principles that underlie small-scale, autonomous ‘vernacular’ systems that have emerged and evolved in indigenous communities and enabled their citizens to thrive? I don’t know that they have ever been specifically articulated, but I thought I would try to identify some of them. There is probably no ‘process’ that could necessarily nurture this emergence; like most natural systems, it’s a matter of trial and error, and learning and evolving by doing. Here’s what I came up with (it’s far from complete):

The emergence of effective ways to be in community requires:

  1.  That the members of the community learn and practice the ‘convivial’ arts of listening, conversation, collaboration, consensus building, critical thinking, conflict resolution, self-management, and self-directed learning — a curiosity-driven ‘learning how to learn’ for oneself instead of having to be ‘taught’.
  2. A deep understanding and appreciation of the local land and its inhabitants, all the forms of life including humans who ‘belong’ to the land; and hence what the land and its inhabitants offer, and what they need, and a continuous effort to sustainably draw on (accept, gift, harvest) what they offer and to meet their needs, cooperatively. And an ethic that enables everyone to appreciate when the interests of the community outweigh personal interests.
  3. Constant opportunities to learn and practice new capacities, both ‘hard’ and ‘soft’, to hone these capacities through working with self-selected mentors, watching demonstrations, apprenticing, and through doing and learning from facilitated practice and from mistakes, rather than ‘schooling’ or textbook-based ‘instruction’. And from play! [I saw this learning-from-demonstrations-and-apprenticing ably demonstrated during my short visit with Joe Bageant in a small village in Belize many years ago.]
  4. Nurturing the capacity in each of us to take care of our own and others’ health and well-being, including preventative actions (such as a good diet and exercise and accident prevention), self-diagnostic and self-treatment capacities, and understanding what constitutes a ‘good death’. And it requires ensuring that every child achieves the sense of secure attachment and the capacity to be authentic and true to him- or herself, free from abuse, that are needed to grow up to be a healthy, competent, non-dependent adult within a healthy, competent, self-sufficient community.
  5. The nurturing of opportunities to give vent to our passions to create and express ourselves through the arts, and to explore, and to discover.
  6. A capacity to create lasting confederations with other nearby communities, each respecting each other’s autonomy and unique ways, but also supporting each other in facing shared challenges.
  7. The creation of structures (eg for housing and transportation) that maximize conviviality and connection, and minimize isolation.
  8. An appreciation of the need to keep the community small, resilient, autonomous, adaptable, and in balance with the rest of life on the land (ie the objective is never ‘growth’).
  9. In all of the above, a continuing collective self-assessment of how the community is doing in each of these areas, and a collective determination of remedial actions when necessary.

There are probably many other requirements that a post-civ community will have to accommodate to thrive when our species starts over (probably again and again) after civilization’s collapse, to learn how to live as part of and in concert with all-life-on-earth. Thinking about what I have observed and read about wild creatures, it seems to me they mostly have these capacities, remarkably without the need for language to acquire or sustain them.

We also surely have much to learn from indigenous communities and those who have lived in them, though I suspect that, because their cultures have been so diminished by the destruction of their ways of life by our industrial civilization, that wisdom is quickly being lost.

I think Ivan and Gustavo, were they to look at the above list, would say that these were some of the qualities they spent their lives trying to help the communities they worked with, to achieve.

So this is not a model, a prescription, a process, a recipe, or even a set of ingredients for a functional community. It’s really, I think, just a list of preconditions for any successful human culture. Almost none of these preconditions are present, I would say, in most of our current cultures, or at least our western cultures. There is no prescription for how these preconditions might or could or should be met; they are emergent properties, not something that can be planned for or imposed. We will learn to meet them when we have to — or not. And most of that learning will likely have to await the collapse of the existing systems that consume almost all of our time and attention, and which fiercely resist such alternative ways of being and doing.

In reading this list, though, the joyful pessimist in me believes that some day in the long distant future there could well be many flourishing (probably largely tribal) human societies that meet these preconditions. Much will depend, I think, on our capacity to deal with the affliction of our species’ large brains and the separate, fearful selves they have concocted, inventions that, I suspect, make creating and sustaining cohesive communities so much harder than it has to be.

Me, I just watch the local community of crows out my window, with wonder and awe. They obviously meet all these preconditions and do all these things, in spades.

Y’know, what healthy creatures do.

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4 Responses to Workable Post-Civ Societies: Ideas from Ivan Illich and Gustavo Esteva

  1. Joe Clarkson says:

    My only experience of an indigenous society is from living in a village on a remote atoll in Micronesia for two years in the Peace Corps. Much of that indigenous culture was affected by the influence of Christian missionaries since the 19th century and colonizers from Germany, Japan and then the US, but the core social structure, language, and methods of providing the necessities of life still existed in 1970-72.

    Some of what your nine-point list applies to that culture, but much of it does not. The social structure of the villages on my island was defined by the legacy of tribal hierarchy. No important community-wide activity took place without the express instruction from chiefs and their underlings. I believe that because total land available was very limited, and because every atoll population had been in a Malthusian equilibrium for centuries, warfare over control of land was a constant part of their pre-European-contact history. The basic substrate of any indigenous culture is an area of land (for food, water and other resources) and defense of that land from those who would take control of it is always a high priority. Warfare requires a definite hierarchy of management tasks and when armed conflict is a constant threat, hierarchy becomes ingrained.

    Day-to-day life in the village centered around the usual tasks of providing food and water to the extended family and these tasks were assigned by parents, but separate families never got together to decide on collective activities for village improvement (they did get together in church, however, and organized church-related activities).

    Daily life tasks were mostly segregated by sex. Women did almost all of the cooking and only men ever went fishing, but, as you point out in Point #3, every boy and girl learned by doing, starting from toddlerhood. Whole families would work together at some food gathering and processing tasks, but tasks were still distributed within the family group by sex.

    In my village, conviviality was omnipresent, but most convivial activities were again segregated by sex. Women and men gathered into groups separately and chatted and laughed while working on daily tasks. Another aspect of conviviality was constant widespread sexual promiscuity (common throughout the Pacific). One result was that no one could never be sure of the father of any child, hence inheritance was matrilineal even though the greater social hierarchy was mostly patriarchal. All children were treated lovingly and equally, no matter who the suspected father might be, and young couples rarely got married until after they had a few children.

    In sum, your list is obviously the result of what a native of modern civilization imagines an ideal indigenous culture would be like. In reality, there are is an extremely wide variety of cultural characteristics an indigenous culture can have, characteristics that come about, as you point out, by cultural evolution in a particular environmental niche, a niche that includes the often-dangerous activities of nearby populations of other humans. Some of the evolutionary successes will have characteristics like those in your list, but many, if not most, will not.

  2. Dave Pollard says:

    Thanks Joe, for your thoughtful comment. Yes, I’m not attempting to portray any indigenous civilization as an ideal model — because every human society, culture and circumstances differ, there is no ideal. The issue of strict gender roles in different cultures is interesting though, especially after studying Robert Sapolsky’s baboon troop that switched from a violent patriarchal structure to a pacifist matriarchal structure after the alpha-males died off, and has stayed that way ever since. Suggests there is no ‘inherent natural’ behaviour, at least for primate species.

  3. Ray says:

    I’m afraid that we just don’t have any idea of what’s going to happen in the aftermath of violent, sudden or long drawn-out collapse. Any structures of human organisation, that we know of, might be totally irrelevant for surviving on the future earth. Some places might still be somewhat inhabitable when post-civilization calamities (e. g. spent nuclear fu
    el assemblies) will still stalk the landscape. Even small tribal groups, who miraculously can still adopt a few Bushmen
    survival tricks, might struggle to pass on their genes.
    Idealism, massive scenario planning and other fantasies might be of little help to advise the unlucky post-collapse survivors.

  4. Vera says:

    In my experience, what is evolved, works, what is imposed (as in intentional communities by idealists) mostly does not. And social glues are paramount. Joe, enjoyed your description of that Micronesian society. Those are the realities on the ground.

    Quite a few things in our own social world have been imposed from above. Like “coeducation” or whatever you call it when girls and boys, women and men, are forced constantly together by idealists-emancipators. Barging into each others’ spaces. After pondering this for some time, my sense is that the war between the sexes was started by precisely this move. Idealists rarely predict the fallout of their prescriptions when applied. And even more rarely take responsibility and acknowledge their errors.

    I am familiar with what Americans call peasant villages in central Europe, Very functional, full of life, and prosperous in ways city cultures can never be. I knew them in my young years, and have seen how the machinations of the utopians (Marxist-Leninist, later gung-ho capitalists) have brought ruin. The villages are mostly dull and disconnected bedroom communities now. It’s been painful for me, seeing this devastation.

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