Empty Fullness: Tony Parsons transcript

Here’s a third lightly edited transcript of the introductory remarks (first 18 minutes or so) at one of Tony’s meetings. This one was in London in June, 2018:

All there is, is empty fullness. What we’re talking about here is just an energy that can’t be known or understood; it’s a mystery. That energy is all there is. All there is is everything. All there is is aliveness. This is it.

This is energy in a form — in the form of a room, bodies, breathing, feeling, sitting on a chair. It’s simply energy happening. That energy is absolutely boundless. Nothing influences it. It’s completely free and wild, and it appears as everything and nothing.

Because it’s free, it has no purpose or meaning. This aliveness is utterly, wonderfully meaningless. Because it’s free it can also appear as limited (apparently appear; nothing is real, everything is only an appearance). In its limited form what apparently arises in the human being is self-awareness — at a very early age (but after birth), suddenly there is a sense of self-awareness, a sense of ‘me’, ‘I’ am real, a person. And that child grows up in a world of other apparent individuals who also feel that they are real.

And that person lives in a dream of dualism, of being separate — I am a separate individual, the world is something that is happening, happening to me, and I live in a world of awareness of everything. That sense of awareness, self-consciousness, keeps the ‘me’ separate from everything. That wouldn’t be recognized by most people, but that’s the dream state of individualism.

To most people, that is absolutely ‘real’ and normal — being a separate individual in the world.

What’s being suggested here is that that whole sense of being separate, being an individual, having free will and choice, and living a story that seems to be real — all of that is a complete and utter, dreamt, illusion.

So we can talk about how the individual appears to take form, what it’s like, all the belief systems it collects around itself about its life and story. And it’s possible, that in just talking about it, conceptually, and hearing some suggestions from somewhere else, that whole belief system of separation, individuality and self-awareness can begin to unravel. And when there’s an openness to something that’s beyond the sense of self, another, terrible possibility, something energetic, can apparently happen, and that contracted energy can melt or fold back into the whole — because the contracted energy is also oneness, boundless energy in a contracted form.

There is nothing right or wrong, nothing above or below, here or there, before or after. There just is what is, and is not — what’s apparently happening. That’s the mystery we’re talking about. And it cannot be ‘known’. There is nothing to learn or understand about what we’re discussing here. And the restricted feeling of being in a world that’s separate can apparently collapse.

This is not a teaching. There is nothing to learn. It’s just a communication, an illumination of what seems to be the human condition. And the suggestion that there’s something else completely beyond that can seem very confronting, and very liberating. And ‘you’ can’t do anything about it. The ‘you’ that thinks you can do anything about this can simply fall away. Apparently. And there it is! Here! It’s this! All there is is this.

When the sense of being separate collapses (apparently), the body relaxes. The ‘me’ no longer needs to maintain its image and play the game of the world, and there’s a lot of tension and fear involved in that, which suddenly falls away. And then there’s a lot more energy available (though not to ‘anyone’), because it takes a lot of energy to be a ‘me’ and to make the illusion of the ‘me’ work.

People are always seeking a better experience or a different way of living. That isn’t available here [at this meeting]. This is about death, the end of the individual that seeks, the death of that which feels that it is separate. But there’s no one that can do anything about that. This meeting is completely pointless. It has no value to the seeker at all. It won’t make your life better. It will point out that you don’t have a life. And it won’t make you a better person — it might even make you a bit worse!

This is what is, and what is not. It’s a mystery, and no person will ever understand it. It can’t be known.

If you go to a meeting with a teacher, the work will be based on the idea that you are a person who can choose to do something. Here, you’re in a meeting that doesn’t even recognize ‘you’. There is no ‘one’, no individuals, in this room, though there are (apparent) bodies and things happening. But even the idea that ‘you’ can fall away is illusory — there is nothing to fall away.

There’s no predetermination, because the other awful part of this message is that there is no such thing as time, space, purpose or meaning. This is nothing, appearing as this.

The seeker longs to find a better experience, an answer to their lives. There is no answer. But it’s possible that here the whole idea of finding an answer will collapse; it’s also possible that the idea of finding an answer will be reinforced — “this is no good, I must go and find an answer somewhere else”. And so it goes, the wheel of dualism. Always searching for something you can never find because what you’re looking for is already everything. [15:07]

When the experiencer ‘dies’ they cannot describe what has happened. It’s indescribable, immeasurable, amazing, and it can’t be known.

This hasn’t anything to do with ‘grace’; there is no grace, no gift, nothing available because everything already is this. The difficulty for the individual is that they live in a world of ‘somethings’, a dualistic experience, and they turn everything they want or look for into an object, a ‘something’ — money, women, power or enlightenment. So the seeker comes here to find ‘something’ when there isn’t anything. There is no something. There is only everything.

It’s this. Wherever you go, whatever you’re looking for, it’s constantly all there is.